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Revamp promoters committee members permissions

Avatar: Virgile Deville Virgile Deville
11/12/2020 10:49  

Is your feature request related to a problem? A clear and concise description of what the problem is.

Author = the user that created the initiative in the first place

Member = user that was accepted as a member in the promoter committee

Currently members have the same permissions as the author of the initiative. A member can send the initiative to technical validation (without a way to cancel) remove and accept other members. This creates a high level of uncertaintety around the process of drafting an initiatives. We added versioning so we can at least track changes made by everyone.

Here is an exhaustive permission table for members and authors : https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/11473995/101887291-f073f400-3b9c-11eb-8c74-e01925d55bf2.png

Describe the solution you'd like

We think that distinguishing the permissions of the initial author and the co-author would help solve this issue.

Here's the updated permission table that we propose implementing :

https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/11473995/101888357-514ffc00-3b9e-11eb-80d1-c5ae8e6819e3.png

Describe alternatives you've considered

None

Does this issue could impact on users private data?

No

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National Assembly and OSP

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Avatar: Virgile Deville Virgile Deville
16/12/2020 21:40
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@product would love to get your feedback on this

Avatar: Decidim Product Decidim Product verified-badge
17/12/2020 11:57
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Hi @virgile_deville ! Could you please explain the problem a little better? What does high uncertainty mean? We understand that the author of an initiative invites people with whom she has a certain level of trust

Avatar: Virgile Deville Virgile Deville
18/12/2020 20:38
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@product Of course we can assume the author of an initiative will invite only people she trust, one could argue that a relationship of trust in a group of people can sometimes evolve.

The fact that members can share the invitation link, accept, reject, revoke members of the promoter committee puts at risk the trusting environment originally intended by the original group of people promoting the initiative.
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Avatar: Virgile Deville Virgile Deville
18/12/2020 20:39
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The reasons why we are proposing to differentiate the permissions between authors and members
- Initiatives, the way they are currently implemented are not error tolerant. If you send the initiative to technical validation there is no way of going back to the « create » state ;
- Collaboration on the initiative texts are limited, most of time the text is drafted on collaborative pad outside of Decidim. In this context it makes sense to centralize core actions (sending to technical validation, accepting, rejecting and revoking members) on the author to avoid coordination mistakes ;

Essentially we find that the main purpose of the promoter committee is to have a way to have multiple authors as condition to publication and to display them on the initiative page.
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Avatar: Carol Romero Carol Romero verified-badge
15/01/2021 12:14
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@josanFFiG could you please chime in and give feedback here?

Avatar: Virgile Deville Virgile Deville
29/01/2021 10:24
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As an admin I can perform all the actions of a promoter's committee member. I think there wouldn't be any impact on @josanFFiG usage.
Can we get a feedback on this soon as we'll need to get started with the development as soon as next week ...
Thanks in advance !

Avatar: Carol Romero Carol Romero verified-badge
05/02/2021 10:58
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@virgile_deville I think @josanFFiG 's main doubt with this is that, being and admin, he often comes on board as a temporary committee member to help the promoters.

Avatar: Virgile Deville Virgile Deville
05/02/2021 12:26
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I was kind of confused by that because the admin can do everything a promoter's committee member can do. So from what I understand there's no need for the admin to join in order to be able to help.

Avatar: JosanFFiG JosanFFiG
05/02/2021 11:30
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IMHO, taking into account the experience lived so far with initiatives in Barcelona, I think it is better not to give the responsibility of certain actions to a single person because it can become a bottleneck, this is the only " but "I see there.

Avatar: Virgile Deville Virgile Deville
05/02/2021 12:25
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Hey @josanFFiG ,
Could you tell us more specifically what may happen ?
I imagine cases like the author dropping out leaving the rest of the promoter committee having to restart a new initiative. Apart from that nothing comes to mind.

Have you seen a lot of collaboration "on" Decidim to draft an initiative ? I mean like different people changing the description, the title adding a joint file sending it technical validation. I feel like all of that happens outside of Decidim on solutions more fit to it like Etherpad, or google docs and that the promoter's committee members are really here to show that it's a collective supporting the initiative and not just one group or person.

Would love to learn more about your hands on experience ? Thank you so much in advance.

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