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French inclusive writing

Avatar: Pauline Bessoles Pauline Bessoles verified-badge
12/02/2021 18:53  

Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe.

The masculine is the neutral gender of the French language, and the question of inclusive writing is increasingly being asked. Some of our clients would like to use an epicene language on their Decidim instance, but the subject is very much discussed in France.

Describe the solution you'd like

So we are wondering what we should do to implement it:

  • Adapt the french locale to make it as neutral as possible, and integrate the midpoint
  • add a locale in decidim for French in inclusive writing
  • make a translation overload in an osp-app.


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Might be funded by the city of Lausanne.

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Reference: MDC-PROP-2021-02-16234
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Avatar: Antti Hukkanen Antti Hukkanen
25/02/2021 19:04
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Inclusive writing is not really an issue with Finnish but they asked very long time ago from Helsinki to create another Finnish locale in Crowdin for "plain Finnish" which is a simplified version of the language easier to understand for example for people with some disabilities (dyslexia, language impairment, ADHD, for instance). I believe you have something similar for Swedish as well (klarspråk?).

The problem had some similarities, as writing everything in "plain Finnish" would probably seem odd to many people but on the other hand, the "normal Finnish" might be difficult to understand to certain people.

Anyways, the point is we asked to add "plain Finnish" to the Crowdin repository and it was kindly added by the maintainers. After that, I believe they found no one to maintain the language, so it's been quite dead since.

So if you add alternative locales, I suggest finding first someone who commits maintaining it too. It's quite a heavy task to maintain two versions of the same language. Your suggestion @pierre actually sounds pretty interesting from this point of view for having Swiss French and French French.

Avatar: Pierre Mesure Pierre Mesure verified-badge
25/02/2021 19:43
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Yes, klarspråk! We haven't had that request yet although many municipalities have issues with some terms used in Decidim. That has led us for example to translate "Processes" to "Dialoger" instead of "Processer".

It would actually be interesting to discuss the perception of the Swedish translation of Decidim in Finland because my understanding is that Finlandssvenska isn't svenska. And when we show Omastadi to Swedish people (especially pages with a lot of text such as terms and conditions), they often find a lot of "mistakes" which are actually differences. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case in the Crowdin text as well.

Avatar: Pierre Mesure Pierre Mesure verified-badge
25/02/2021 19:44
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I think using regional languages makes sense as well because these countries (Switzerland and Québec) have actually integrated more neutral forms in their usual language (sometimes in an official way). So it's not really a hack, it's simply making sure they use their language and not a version from France.

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